Oops, would help if I posted the link ! 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50302573

HC wrote:

Oops, would help if I posted the link !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50302573

​The best thing was that it went over a page, so I was reading it wondering what it was that got you so worked up!

The Catalan treatment is an absolute disgrace.  Is there not an EU ideal about people being allowed to be independent?

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Unelected in EU - yes admittedly.
Unelected in UK - the civil servants who frame the laws are unelected, as they are in the EU.  The HoL which agrees them is uneleceted.  The head of state under whom it all operates is unelected.  The judges which can set aside passed regulations if they breach other laws, just the same as the EU.  Admittedly we have elected (though not by PR so they don't represent the true 'will of the people') MPs to debate the laws whereas the EU has elected MEPs (elected by us) to debate them, if the people of the UK ever bother to rather than just moan about something which is in their power after all.  The MEPs, that's our MEPs, are elected under PR so the make up of representatives reflects the make up of the votes.  Unlike in WM where that's not the case.  It's hard to see a horrible EU body which is less elected than what we have here, and hard to see why the misinformation takes hold here that we're more democratic.  The facts don't appear to support it.
And on most things every country gets a veto. That's not the case in the UK.
Where we have been refused a veto is on the impending and imminent EU tax changes, designed to make sure that organisations can't evade tax, aimed at eg Google/Amazon etc.  But it will also make other organisations pay their taxes, such as businesses owned or which employ senior members of the Leave groupings, including cabinet members, and businesses which are major donors to....let me guess....the tory party and to the leave campaign.
As one of the few growth areas under WM in current times is food banks and emergency shelters, leaving the EU will ironically allow those who push so hard on that concept to continue to sidestep paying the taxes which would have made those things so much less necessary.  But we, and our families, will be the ones who pick up the slack and pay more instead and dip into our own pockets at other times to meet those embarrassing (humiliating for a modern society) needs.  And as a result will be supporting those slippery scamps who count their income by the million and yet want to ensure they and their interests are not caught up in the coming tax avoidance clamp down.

Anders, Admittedly the system here has it's flaws but the people get to vote every four years as to the government they want. The prospective governments set out what laws they want and the people get to choose which party they think will do the best for them.
However we have an EU parliament that can't change laws ,repeal laws or do anything worth while all the time taking huge wages, low taxes and huge side benefits.
Seriously watch the first film ( right through ) and it will open your eyes to the vast amounts of cash getting wasted.
The second film is all about the huge waste of money that is moving the EU parliament from one country to another for no reason other than it keeps the money rolling in to both regions.

Sorry Anders but you are a dreamer if you think anything will change soon. As for the EU we are one of only three countries putting in more than we take out. If you think WM is corrupt then you should be campaigning to leave the EU as they are far far worse.
I never said our form of government is any good but the EU are ripping the piss. Did you watch the vid? 10,000 people were earning more than D Cameron at time of filming. They have preferential tax system and huge shopping malls for their use only, selling high priced goods at discounts WE are paying for, As a consumer you should be up in arms over them being subsidized by you and your family.
It also explains about the veto you mentioned earlier and the UK have not once won a veto ( I can't remember off the top of my head as to how many times they tried ) .
Campaign to change the UK government system by all means but staying in the EU will remove more of your rights, that is why we need out. That and if democracy means anything then the will of the people should be done.