Jambojim52 wrote:

anders wrote:

Does it matter what the reasons are? Two things are known: lots more people than usual are dying, and people are passing the cause of premature death on to each other. Given that, the advice to stay at home until the rate of excess deaths comes down seems rather sensible doesn't it? Rather than have people run around in cavalier fashion and pass it on, while the figures do show that with so many confirmed cases there are still too many to let people go wandering around at will infecting the innocent.
The fact that there are fewer covid deaths than are being reported doesn't mean there are few covid deaths. Only a few hundred per day extra deaths instead of nearer a thousand extra deaths is surely not reason for others to be put at risk.

Yes it does make a difference what the reasons are. There have been around 1, 800 odd deaths in Scotland as being reported by our government. NOT all these can be contributed to Covid 19. ( for the reasons stated earlier ) and taken in context this is a drop in the bucket out of 5.5 MILLION people.
All deaths that can be contributed to C19 are a tragedy, but lets be clear misinformation does nothing to the credibility of those who are advising us.
Most of the deaths recently have been in care homes and the fact the government were slow to get staff tested and supplied with ppe is criminal, however these deaths are contained ( as were the ones in hospital ) so there is no reason to use these figures as an excuse to keep everyone in doors.
Social distancing and wearing a face mask when outside will curb the infection rate just as much as staying in doors.
Sturgeon claiming a face mask won't stop you getting C19 is a complete lie. If it doesn't stop you getting it why all the fuss about the NHS getting PPE. A face mask will stop you getting it but more importantly  it will stop someone infected passing it on.
People can understand and follow a just law, but won't stand for being lied to and forced to stay in doors when they can see how unjust the laws are.
People are already staring to rise up and say enough is enough as seen in the protest in London the other day.
Sturgeon trying to be the statesperson and contradict anything coming out of Westminster is doing more harm than good.

You're wrong, Jim.

The 1800 deaths are ones where labs have tested for Covid and the results have come back as positive.

The 2500 (current) ie 700 on top of the 1800 are where Covid 19 is suspected.

The 32000 in the UK are where lab results have proved Covid 19.  IN England, they DO NOT release figures for suspected Covid.  FACT.
 

HC wrote:

Jambojim52 wrote:

For me his biggest mistake was allowing all those flights into the UK at the start. He should have quarantined everyone coming in and started social distancing quicker. Even now all we need is social distancing and face masks. Sturgeon saying we need tighter lock down is a farce as the majority of new cases are in care homes. This means they are isolated and no danger to the general public. Once c19 gets into a care home it will run riot and they need to look into how it's getting there Ie test staff better.
However this doesn't mean the rest of us have to stay locked up.
She is using C19 as a political tool to rail against Boris and we are the pawns.

 
Absolute nonsense. 

She has been very clear from the start - it has never been about politics, it's about saving lives.

Are you seriously telling me that you have more confidence in Johnson's handling of this than Sturgeon's?

 
Reposting as it was on the previous page.

HC wrote:

Jambojim52 wrote:

anders wrote:

Does it matter what the reasons are? Two things are known: lots more people than usual are dying, and people are passing the cause of premature death on to each other. Given that, the advice to stay at home until the rate of excess deaths comes down seems rather sensible doesn't it? Rather than have people run around in cavalier fashion and pass it on, while the figures do show that with so many confirmed cases there are still too many to let people go wandering around at will infecting the innocent.
The fact that there are fewer covid deaths than are being reported doesn't mean there are few covid deaths. Only a few hundred per day extra deaths instead of nearer a thousand extra deaths is surely not reason for others to be put at risk.

Yes it does make a difference what the reasons are. There have been around 1, 800 odd deaths in Scotland as being reported by our government. NOT all these can be contributed to Covid 19. ( for the reasons stated earlier ) and taken in context this is a drop in the bucket out of 5.5 MILLION people.
All deaths that can be contributed to C19 are a tragedy, but lets be clear misinformation does nothing to the credibility of those who are advising us.
Most of the deaths recently have been in care homes and the fact the government were slow to get staff tested and supplied with ppe is criminal, however these deaths are contained ( as were the ones in hospital ) so there is no reason to use these figures as an excuse to keep everyone in doors.
Social distancing and wearing a face mask when outside will curb the infection rate just as much as staying in doors.
Sturgeon claiming a face mask won't stop you getting C19 is a complete lie. If it doesn't stop you getting it why all the fuss about the NHS getting PPE. A face mask will stop you getting it but more importantly  it will stop someone infected passing it on.
People can understand and follow a just law, but won't stand for being lied to and forced to stay in doors when they can see how unjust the laws are.
People are already staring to rise up and say enough is enough as seen in the protest in London the other day.
Sturgeon trying to be the statesperson and contradict anything coming out of Westminster is doing more harm than good.

You're wrong, Jim.

The 1800 deaths are ones where labs have tested for Covid and the results have come back as positive.

The 2500 (current) ie 700 on top of the 1800 are where Covid 19 is suspected.

The 32000 in the UK are where lab results have proved Covid 19. IN England, they DO NOT release figures for suspected Covid. FACT.
 

HC, Are you seriously suggesting they tested dead people for the virus when the NHS staff couldn't get tested due to lack of space? No way!

As for Boris or Sturgeon, neither are doing it right but she is doing everything she can to contradict Boris for political reasons and not health 

Doing it right would have been a quarantine period for anyone returning to the UK from abroad, Wearing face masks outdoors and social distancing. Doing it right would have been to follow other countries that have very little C19 ( Korea ? ) where they tested everyone early on and quarantined anyone with high temp or symptoms.  Doing it right would have been NOT telling everyone it's just the old that get it.
As for Sturgeon's motives you only have to look at her history with regards Westminster. Said before it's a pity Salmond was a creep  as he was a great orator and could quoted figures and facts to put down the opposition.
This C19 is bigger than Sturgeon and politics, There should have been a national approach with N Ireland joining with the south to make a consistent approach that covered the whole country so everyone was in the same boat.

Jim, I'll reply to your other points when I have the time and the patience to do so.

However, if you are seriously telling me that Johnson's approach to this is better that Sturgeon's, you are totally deluded.