The people in care homes come out of them too. The staff go on the same streets, go into the same shops, handle the same banknotes, spread whatever's in there out of there. Ie if covid-19 is anywhere, it's potentially everywhere, which would explain the advice to keep lockdown.
If and when it's relaxed, infections & deaths can be expected to go up, so every one of those new deaths could be as a result of the easing. You want to be the one to tell people their parents have died cos of your decision?
I'm not an expert on this so I take advice from those who are, and if I recognise their knowledge is probably greater than mine then I'd be foolish not to take it on board.

Last edited by anders (5/10/2020 4:56 am)

This is for the Coronavirus thread.

Maybe IJ can merge them then I'll add my tuppence worth.

SHUT THE BORDER, NOW, NICOLA!

anders wrote:

Does it matter what the reasons are? Two things are known: lots more people than usual are dying, and people are passing the cause of premature death on to each other. Given that, the advice to stay at home until the rate of excess deaths comes down seems rather sensible doesn't it? Rather than have people run around in cavalier fashion and pass it on, while the figures do show that with so many confirmed cases there are still too many to let people go wandering around at will infecting the innocent.
The fact that there are fewer covid deaths than are being reported doesn't mean there are few covid deaths. Only a few hundred per day extra deaths instead of nearer a thousand extra deaths is surely not reason for others to be put at risk.

Yes it does make a difference what the reasons are. There have been around 1, 800 odd deaths in Scotland as being reported by our government. NOT all these can be contributed to Covid 19. ( for the reasons stated earlier ) and taken in context this is a drop in the bucket out of 5.5 MILLION people.
All deaths that can be contributed to C19 are a tragedy, but lets be clear misinformation does nothing to the credibility of those who are advising us.
Most of the deaths recently have been in care homes and the fact the government were slow to get staff tested and supplied with ppe is criminal, however these deaths are contained ( as were the ones in hospital ) so there is no reason to use these figures as an excuse to keep everyone in doors.
Social distancing and wearing a face mask when outside will curb the infection rate just as much as staying in doors.
Sturgeon claiming a face mask won't stop you getting C19 is a complete lie. If it doesn't stop you getting it why all the fuss about the NHS getting PPE. A face mask will stop you getting it but more importantly  it will stop someone infected passing it on.
People can understand and follow a just law, but won't stand for being lied to and forced to stay in doors when they can see how unjust the laws are.
People are already staring to rise up and say enough is enough as seen in the protest in London the other day.
Sturgeon trying to be the statesperson and contradict anything coming out of Westminster is doing more harm than good.

Jambojim52 wrote:

For me his biggest mistake was allowing all those flights into the UK at the start. He should have quarantined everyone coming in and started social distancing quicker. Even now all we need is social distancing and face masks. Sturgeon saying we need tighter lock down is a farce as the majority of new cases are in care homes. This means they are isolated and no danger to the general public. Once c19 gets into a care home it will run riot and they need to look into how it's getting there Ie test staff better.
However this doesn't mean the rest of us have to stay locked up.
She is using C19 as a political tool to rail against Boris and we are the pawns.

 
Absolute nonsense. 

She has been very clear from the start - it has never been about politics, it's about saving lives.

Are you seriously telling me that you have more confidence in Johnson's handling of this than Sturgeon's?